CHAIRMAN - Yes, I intend to - Model A, 27 votes; Model B, four
votes; Model C, 30 votes; Model D, 59 votes; and those against, 31 votes. There were no abstentions. On that basis,
I declare the next round will be between Model A, Model C and Model D. Model B will be eliminated.
Round 1:
Delegates in support of Model A: 27
Bacon, Jim
Beattie, Peter
Bunnell, Ann
Carnell, Kate
(proxy - Webb, Linda)
Costello, Tim
Curtis, David
Devine, Miranda
Gallop, Geoffrey
Gallus, Chris
Gunter, Andrew
Haber, Ed
Hewitt, Glenda
Jones, Clem
Kelly, Mary
Lockett, Eric
Mack, Ted
Milne, Christine
Moore, Catherine
Muir, David
O'Brien, Patrick
O'Shane, Pat
Rann, Michael
Rayner, Moira
Schubert, Misha
Stone, Shane
Stott Despoja, Natasha
Tully, Paul
Round 1:
Delegates in support of Model B: 4
Bullmore, Eric
Cleary, Phil
Hayden, Bill
Johnston, Adam
Round 1:
Delegates in support of Model C: 30
Anderson, John
Andrew, Neil
Andrews, Kevin
Bartlett, Liam
Beanland, Denver
Bell, Dannalee
Bishop, Julie
Blainey, Geoffrey
Borbidge, Rob
(proxy - FitzGerald, Tony)
Boswell, Ron
Castle, Michael
Costello, Peter
Court, Richard
Cowan, Hendy
Craven, Greg
Ferguson, Alan
Fischer, Tim
Howard, John
(proxy - Minchin, Nick)
Imlach, Mary
Knight, Annette
McGarvie, Richard
McGauchie, Donald
Moloney, Joan
Myers, Benjamin
Newman, Jocelyn
Parbo, Arvi
Rocher, Allan
Sloan, Judith
Williams, Daryl
Zwar, Heidi
Round 1:
Delegates in support of Model D: 59
Andrews, Kirsten
Ang, Andrea
Atkinson, Sallyanne
Axarlis, Stella
Beazley, Kim
Bolkus, Nick
Brumby, John
Carr, Bob
Cassidy, Frank
Cocchiaro, Tony
Collins, Peter
Delahunty, Mary
Djerrkura, Gatjil
Edwards, Graham
Elliot, Mike
Evans, Gareth
Faulkner, John
Fox, Lindsay
George, Jennie
Green, Julian
Grogan, Peter
Handshin, Mia
Hawke, Hazel
Hill, Robert
Hollingworth, Peter
Holmes a Court, Janet
Kennett, Jeff
(proxy - Dean, Robert)
Kilgariff, Michael
King, Poppy
Kirk, Linda
Lavarch, Michael
Li, Jason Yat-Sen
Lundy, Kate
Lynch, Helen
Machin, Wendy
McGuire, Eddie
Mitchell, Roma
Moller, Carl
O'Brien, Moira
O'Donoghue, Lois
Olsen, John
Pell, George
Peris-Kneebone, Nova
Rundle, Tony
Russo, Sarina
Sams, Peter
Scott, Marguerite
Shaw, Jeff
Sowada, Karin
Tannock, Peter
Teague, Baden
Thomas, Trang
Thompson, Clare
Turnbull, Malcolm
Vizard, Steve
West, Sue
Winterton, George
Witheford, Anne
Wran, Neville
Round 1:
Delegates voting `no model': 31
Bjelke-Petersen, Florence
Bonner, Neville
Bonython, Kym
Bradley, Thomas
Chipp, Don
Ferguson, Christine
Fleming, John
Garland, Alf
Gifford, Kenneth
Hepworth, John
Hourn, Geoff
James, William (Digger)
Jones, Kerry
Killen, Jim
Kramer, Leonie
Leeser, Julian
Manetta, Victoria
Mitchell, David
Mye, George
O'Farrell, Edward
Panopoulos, Sophie
Ramsay, Jim
Rodgers, Marylyn
Ruxton, Bruce
Sheil, Glen
Smith, David
Sutherland, Doug
Waddy, Lloyd
Webster, Alasdair
Wilcox, Vernon
Withers, Reg
CHAIRMAN - I ask that the ballot papers for Round 1 be now put
in envelopes so we ensure there is no duplication of votes.
We will proceed to Round 2. The procedure will be the same but, before you vote, I ask all delegates to cross out
Model B. We now once again must vote. You have one vote. You can vote for Model A, Model C or Model D or you can
vote against by voting `No Model' and crossing out `Abstain' or you can abstain by crossing out `No Model'. I ask
all delegates to record their vote and to sign their ballot paper.
Delegates recorded their vote.
CHAIRMAN - I ask those delegates who voted for Model A to rise
in their places or otherwise indicate.
Delegates submitted their ballot papers.
CHAIRMAN - Is there any delegate who has voted for model A whose
vote has not been recorded? There are a number of delegates whose votes have not yet been taken. I ask those delegates
who voted in favour of Model C to please rise or otherwise indicate and have their ballot papers collected.
Delegates submitted their ballot papers.
CHAIRMAN - Has anybody who voted for Model C not had their ballot paper collected? I ask those delegates
who voted for Model D to please rise in their places or otherwise indicate.
Delegates submitted their ballot papers.
CHAIRMAN - Is there any person who voted for Model D whose vote has not been collected? I ask those
who voted Against to please rise in their places or otherwise indicate.
Delegates submitted their ballot papers.
CHAIRMAN - Is there any delegate who has voted Against whose vote
has not been counted? Are there any abstentions? There being none, I ask the tellers to proceed with the count.
The count having been taken, the tallies are: Model A, 30 votes; Model B is eliminated, is not counted and is not
there; Model C, 31 votes; Model D, 58 votes; and 32 votes Against. That adds up to 151 again, so the count is right.
I declare on that basis that Model A is now eliminated. I repeat: Model A received 30 votes; Model C, 31 votes;
Model D, 58 votes; those Against, 32 votes.
That gives us the 151 delegates who are voting.
Round 2:
Delegates in support of Model A: 30
Bacon, Jim
Beattie, Peter
Bullmore, Eric
Bunnell, Ann
Carnell, Kate
(proxy Webb, Linda)
Cleary, Phil
Costello, Tim
Curtis, David
Devine, Miranda
Gallop, Geoffrey
Gallus, Chris
Gunter, Andrew
Haber, Ed
Handshin, Mia
Hewitt, Glenda
Jones, Clem
Kelly, Mary
Lockett, Eric
Mack, Ted
Milne, Christine
Moore, Catherine
Muir, David
O'Brien, Patrick
O'Shane, Pat
Rann, Michael
Rayner, Moira
Schubert, Misha
Stone, Shane
Stott Despoja, Natasha
Tully, Paul
Round 2:
Delegates in support of Model C: 31
Anderson, John
Andrew, Neil
Andrews, Kevin
Bartlett, Liam
Beanland, Denver
Bell, Dannalee
Bishop, Julie
Blainey, Geoffrey
Borbidge, Rob
(proxy - FitzGerald, Tony)
Boswell, Ron
Castle, Michael
Costello, Peter
Court, Richard
Cowan, Hendy
Craven, Greg
Ferguson, Alan
Fischer, Tim
Howard, John
(proxy - Minchin, Nick)
Imlach, Mary
Johnston, Adam
Knight, Annette
McGarvie, Richard
McGauchie, Donald
Moloney, Joan
Myers, Benjamin
Newman, Jocelyn
Parbo, Arvi
Rocher, Allan
Sloan, Judith
Williams, Daryl
Zwar, Heidi
Round 2:
Delegates in support of Model D: 58
Andrews, Kirsten
Ang, Andrea
Atkinson, Sallyanne
Axarlis, Stella
Beazley, Kim
Bolkus, Nick
Brumby, John
Carr, Bob
Cassidy, Frank
Cocchiaro, Tony
Collins, Peter
Delahunty, Mary
Djerrkura, Gatjil
Edwards, Graham
Elliot, Mike
Evans, Gareth
Faulkner, John
Fox, Lindsay
George, Jennie
Green, Julian
Grogan, Peter
Hawke, Hazel
Hill, Robert
Hollingworth, Peter
Holmes a Court, Janet
Kennett, Jeff
(proxy - Dean, Robert)
Kilgariff, Michael
King, Poppy
Kirk, Linda
Lavarch, Michael
Li, Jason Yat-Sen
Lundy, Kate
Lynch, Helen
Machin, Wendy
McGuire, Eddie
Mitchell, Roma
Moller, Carl
O'Brien, Moira
O'Donoghue, Lois
Olsen, John
Pell, George
Peris-Kneebone, Nova
Rundle, Tony
Russo, Sarina
Sams, Peter
Scott, Marguerite
Shaw, Jeff
Sowada, Karin
Tannock, Peter
Teague, Baden
Thomas, Trang
Thompson, Clare
Turnbull, Malcolm
Vizard, Steve
West, Sue
Winterton, George
Witheford, Anne
Wran, Neville
Round 2:
Delegates voting `no model': 32
Bjelke-Petersen, Florence
Bonner, Neville
Bonython, Kym
Bradley, Thomas
Chipp, Don
Ferguson, Christine
Fleming, John
Garland, Alf
Gifford, Kenneth
Hayden, Bill
Hepworth, John
Hourn, Geoff
James, William (Digger)
Jones, Kerry
Killen, Jim
Kramer, Leonie
Leeser, Julian
Manetta, Victoria
Mitchell, David
Mye, George
O'Farrell, Edward
Panopoulos, Sophie
Ramsay, Jim
Rodgers, Marylyn
Ruxton, Bruce
Sheil, Glen
Smith, David
Sutherland, Doug
Waddy, Lloyd
Webster, Alasdair
Wilcox, Vernon
Withers, Reg
CHAIRMAN - We will now proceed to the process that was identified
as Round 4A, which is with the changed models now reduced to two. The question is:
Out of the remaining two models, and the status quo, which do you prefer?
Mr LOCKETT - I move:
That the motion not now be put.
CHAIRMAN - There is a procedural motion. I had better have a seconder
in the circumstances. Is there is a seconder to that procedural motion? There being no seconder, I will record
that you have moved a motion and that the motion received no support. We will now proceed to Round 4A.
Professor PATRICK O'BRIEN - I had my hand up, but out of curiosity to know what it is.
CHAIRMAN - I am sorry; There was a bit of movement over there
and I was not too sure where it was. I am not going to allow you to speak on the procedural motion; I believe we
can put it. Those in favour of the procedural motion that the motion be not put, raise your hand. The total is
three. Those against the procedural motion, raise your hand. I declare that motion lost.
We now go to Round 4A. Each delegate again has one vote to be exercised in favour of either Model C or Model D,
or the Status Quo. To ensure that everybody is aware of the alternatives, the vote now is between that model proposed
by Mr Richard McGarvie, which is Model C, and that model proposed by Mr Malcolm Turnbull, which is Model D; and
the third option is no change. Are there any questions?
Councillor TULLY - I seek a point of clarification on that last option. Where it says, `No Model (Abstain),'
is it in order to cross out the words, `No Model' and just have the word `Abstain' if that is the way I wish to
vote?
CHAIRMAN - It certainly is; you may vote either way. I was going
to tell delegates that they should now delete the first two models. On your ballot paper, you will cross out Model
A and Model B. You now have three options plus the No Model or abstain. The `No Model' should be crossed out and
`Abstention' so that you will now vote for three alternatives plus an abstention. The paper will now read, therefore,
Model C, Model D, Status Quo or Abstention. Are there any questions?
Mr CLEARY - I just want to make it clear that there are four possibilities: PM/Constitutional, Model D,
Status Quo or No Model. No Model is a deliberate choice. The way you are interpreting it is as if it is a nothing;
it does not exist; it is in the ether. But it actually is there.
CHAIRMAN - If you wish to retain the No Model and vote that way,
we will so count them.
Mr CLEARY - No. I am saying you have an option there. No Model is a direct choice by a candidate at this
conference.
CHAIRMAN - I accept that. That means that you may either vote
No Model or abstention. If you wish to vote No Model, you will cross out abstention; if you wish to abstain, you
will cross out `No Model'. So there will be, as Mr Cleary suggested, an option between Model C, Model D, Status
Quo, No Model or Abstention.
Mr WADDY - For the information of those watching these proceedings, will you explain from the chair what
is meant by `status quo'? It may not be clear to those watching. I am fully aware of what it means, but a lot of
people in Australia do not actually speak Latin.
CHAIRMAN - I shall explain that in a moment. Are there any further
questions on that voting procedure? No, then I shall answer Mr Waddy's query. The `Status Quo' means the state
as it is: an Australian monarchy, with the Queen of Australia as our head of state and the Governor-General with
those powers designated within the Australian Constitution. The options now are: Model C, the McGarvie model; Model
D, the option proposed by Mr Malcolm Turnbull; the continuation of the Australian monarchy; No Model; or Abstain.
If you wish to abstain, cross out `No Model', if you wish to vote for No Model, you cross out `Abstain'. You can
vote once for any one of those options. Those in favour of Model C, please rise in your places or otherwise indicate.
Delegates submitted their ballot papers.
CHAIRMAN - Those in favour of Model D, please rise in your places
or otherwise indicate.
Delegates submitted their ballot papers.
CHAIRMAN - Those who voted for the Status Quo - the continuation
of the Australian monarchy - please rise in your places or otherwise indicate.
Delegates submitted their ballot papers.
CHAIRMAN - Those who voted for No Model, please rise in your places
and have your ballot papers collected.
Delegates submitted their ballot papers.
CHAIRMAN - Are there any who vote Abstain?
Delegates submitted their ballot papers.
CHAIRMAN - Is there anybody who has not had their ballot paper
collected? We will proceed to the count.
As delegates will recall, we have eliminated options A and B. In Round
4A for Model C there were 22 votes; Model D, there were 70 votes; Status Quo, there were 43 votes; No Model, there
were - this cannot be right. I counted at least three abstentions. It was certainly more than one and I have only
one abstention here. Therefore, there must be an error in the voting and I suggest they recount the votes.
Mrs GALLUS - I might have confused the vote. On my ballot I wrote
`Abstain', but I actually voted for No Model.
CHAIRMAN - The point is that I noted more than one person rising.
Therefore, the vote that I have is inaccurate and I require a recount.
Mr GARETH EVANS - It is between No Model and Abstain; how can you tell the difference?
CHAIRMAN - As long as we get the total right, Gareth. At the moment
the total is incorrect.
Mr GIFFORD - While they are recounting, I made a mistake. I ticked the wrong one.
Mr GROGAN - Did you vote for the republic?
Mr GIFFORD - I certainly did not vote for the republic.
CHAIRMAN - Mr Gifford has the floor.
Mr GIFFORD - I would like, if possible, to change the ballot paper.
CHAIRMAN - At this stage, I do not believe that is possible. We
are not going to have another vote under this 4A procedure. If it were 4B, that would be different. We note that
there is an error. We need a total count that is the same as the number of votes cast. I now have a total which
says 22 votes for Model C; 70 votes for Model D; 43 votes for Status Quo; 12 votes for No Model; and 4 abstentions.
That is 151 votes, so that tally is correct.
Round 3:
Delegates in support of Model C: 22
Andrew, Neil
Andrews, Kevin
Bartlett, Liam
Bell, Dannalee
Bishop, Julie
Costello, Peter
Court, Richard
Cowan, Hendy
Craven, Greg
Ferguson, Alan
Imlach, Mary
Johnston, Adam
Knight, Annette
McGarvie, Richard
McGauchie, Donald
Myers, Benjamin
Newman, Jocelyn
Parbo, Arvi
Rocher, Allan
Sloan, Judith
Williams, Daryl
Zwar, Heidi
Round 3:
Delegates in support of Model D: 70
Andrews, Kirsten
Ang, Andrea
Atkinson, Sallyanne
Axarlis, Stella
Bacon, Jim
Beattie, Peter
Beazley, Kim
Bolkus, Nick
Brumby, John
Carnell, Kate
(proxy - Webb, Linda)
Carr, Bob
Cassidy, Frank
Cocchiaro, Tony
Collins, Peter
Costello, Tim
Delahunty, Mary
Djerrkura, Gatjil
Edwards, Graham
Elliot, Mike
Evans, Gareth
Faulkner, John
Fox, Lindsay
Gallop, Geoffrey
George, Jennie
Green, Julian
Grogan, Peter
Handshin, Mia
Hawke, Hazel
Hewitt, Glenda
Hill, Robert
Hollingworth, Peter
Holmes a Court, Janet
Kennett, Jeff
(proxy - Dean, Robert)
Kilgariff, Michael
King, Poppy
Kirk, Linda
Lavarch, Michael
Li, Jason Yat-Sen
Lundy, Kate
Lynch, Helen
Machin, Wendy
McGuire, Eddie
Milne, Christine
Moller, Carl
O'Brien, Moira
O'Donoghue, Lois
Olsen, John
Pell, George
Peris-Kneebone, Nova
Rann, Michael
Rayner, Moira
Rundle, Tony
Russo, Sarina
Sams, Peter
Schubert, Misha
Scott, Marguerite
Shaw, Jeff
Sowada, Karin
Stone, Shane
Stott Despoja, Natasha
Tannock, Peter
Teague, Baden
Thomas, Trang
Thompson, Clare
Turnbull, Malcolm
Vizard, Steve
West, Sue
Winterton, George
Witheford, Anne
Wran, Neville
Round 3:
Delegates for the status quo: 43
Anderson, John
Beanland, Denver
Bjelke-Petersen, Florence
Blainey, Geoffrey
Bonner, Neville
Bonython, Kym
Borbidge, Rob
(proxy - FitzGerald, Tony)
Boswell, Ron
Bradley, Thomas
Bullmore, Eric
Castle, Michael
Chipp, Don
Ferguson, Christine
Fischer, Tim
Fleming, John
Garland, Alf
Hayden, Bill
Hepworth, John
Hourn, Geoff
Howard, John
(proxy - Minchin, Nick)
James, William (Digger)
Jones, Kerry
Killen, Jim
Kramer, Leonie
Leeser, Julian
Manetta, Victoria
Mitchell, David
Mitchell, Roma
Moloney, Joan
Mye, George
O'Brien, Patrick
O'Farrell, Edward
Panopoulos, Sophie
Ramsay, Jim
Rodgers, Marylyn
Ruxton, Bruce
Sheil, Glen
Smith, David
Sutherland, Doug
Waddy, Lloyd
Webster, Alasdair
Wilcox, Vernon
Withers, Reg
Round 3:
Delegates voting `no model': 12
Bunnell, Ann
Cleary, Phil
Curtis, David
Devine, Miranda
Gallus, Christine
Gifford, Kenneth
Gunter, Andrew
Haber, Ed
Jones, Clem
Mack, Ted
Muir, David
O'Shane, Pat
Round 3:
Delegates who abstained: 4
Kelly, Mary
Lockett, Eric
Moore, Catherine
Tully, Paul
CHAIRMAN - Before we proceed to the next stage, those ballot papers
need to be put in envelopes and properly set aside.
On this occasion, the vote is between Model C, Model D, No Model and Abstain. Has any delegate not got a ballot
paper?
Councillor TULLY - On point of order, Mr Chairman. In relation to the document that I have - and I hope
it is the latest version - it says under Round 4B, `Each delegate to have one vote to be directed to Y or Z.' I
would have assumed that, at that stage, we have the two preferred models and that that is the completion of the
count at this stage because there are only two actual models at this stage. I interpreted that to mean that, at
this point, we would then adjourn. The others are not models. Clearly there are two preferred models.
CHAIRMAN - The resolution that was passed by this Convention requires
that we now have another round of votes, this time without the Status Quo option. It is that round of votes to
which we are now proceeding. The resolution passed by this Convention requires that there be one further round
of voting, that is, the round we are now proceeding to.
This round requires that delegates vote between the two residual models, but they have the additional option, if
they wish, to vote against any model or to abstain. So there are in fact four options: you can vote for either
of the two models, that is, the McGarvie Model or the Malcolm Turnbull Model; you can vote for the No Model, which
means that you vote against any model; or you abstain, which means that you cross out No Model, leaving Abstain.
Are there any questions about that form of voting? Has every delegate got a ballot paper? If every delegate has
a voting paper, I ask you again to sign and to indicate either Model C, Model D, No Model or Abstain, crossing
out No Model or Abstain, according to the way you vote.
Those delegates who support Model C, please rise in your places or otherwise indicate.
Delegates submitted their ballot papers.
CHAIRMAN - Is there any delegate who has voted for Model C and
whose ballot paper has not been collected? Those delegates in favour of Model D, please rise or otherwise indicate.
Please resume your seat when you have voted.
Delegates submitted their ballot papers.
CHAIRMAN - Is there any delegate who voted for the bipartisan
appointment model and whose ballot paper has not been collected? Those who vote for the No Model, please rise in
their places or otherwise indicate.
Delegates submitted their ballot papers.
CHAIRMAN - Is there any delegate who voted for the No Model and
whose ballot paper has not been collected? Those delegates who vote for Abstain, please rise in their places or
otherwise indicate.
Delegates submitted their ballot papers.
CHAIRMAN - Is there any delegate who voted for Abstain and whose
ballot paper has not been collected? I ask that the vote proceed. The count having been taken, I announce the results:
Model C has received 32 votes; Model D has received 73 votes.
Mr WADDY - You haven't got a majority.
Councillor TULLY - No majority.
CHAIRMAN - The No Model has received 43 votes and there are 3 abstentions. Let me go through the count again.
There are 32 votes for Model C; the bipartisan Model has 73 votes; the No Model has 43 votes; and there are three
abstentions. That gives the right tally, so we are right. I declare that Model D, the bipartisan model, is the
preferred model.
Round 4:
Delegates in support of Model C: 32
Anderson, John
Andrew, Neil
Andrews, Kevin
Bartlett, Liam
Beanland, Denver
Bell, Dannalee
Bishop, Julie
Blainey, Geoffrey
Borbidge, Rob
(proxy - FitzGerald, Tony)
Boswell, Ron
Castle, Michael
Costello, Peter
Court, Richard
Cowan, Hendy
Craven, Greg
Ferguson, Alan
Fischer, Tim
Howard, John
(proxy - Minchin, Nick)
Imlach, Mary
Johnston, Adam
Knight, Annette
McGarvie, Richard
McGauchie, Donald
Moloney, Joan
Mye, George
Myers, Benjamin
Newman, Jocelyn
Parbo, Arvi
Rocher, Allan
Sloan, Judith
Williams, Daryl
Zwar, Heidi
Round 4:
Delegates in support of Model D: 73
Andrews, Kirsten
Ang, Andrea
Atkinson, Sallyanne
Axarlis, Stella
Bacon, Jim
Beattie, Peter
Beazley, Kim
Bolkus, Nick
Brumby, John
Carnell, Kate
(proxy - Webb, Linda)
Carr, Bob
Cassidy, Frank
Cocchiaro, Tony
Collins, Peter
Costello, Tim
Delahunty, Mary
Djerrkura, Gatjil
Edwards, Graham
Elliot, Mike
Evans, Gareth
Faulkner, John
Fox, Lindsay
Gallop, Geoffrey
Gallus, Chris
George, Jennie
Green, Julian
Grogan, Peter
Handshin, Mia
Hawke, Hazel
Hewitt, Glenda
Hill, Robert
Hollingworth, Peter
Holmes a Court, Janet
Kennett, Jeff
(proxy - Dean, Robert)
Kilgariff, Michael
King, Poppy
Kirk, Linda
Lavarch, Michael
Li, Jason Yat-Sen
Lockett, Eric
Lundy, Kate
Lynch, Helen
Machin, Wendy
McGuire, Eddie
Milne, Christine
Mitchell, Roma
Moller, Carl
O'Brien, Moira
O'Donoghue, Lois
Olsen, John
Pell, George
Peris-Kneebone, Nova
Rann, Michael
Rayner, Moira
Rundle, Tony
Russo, Sarina
Sams, Peter
Schubert, Misha
Scott, Marguerite
Shaw, Jeff
Sowada, Karin
Stone, Shane
Stott Despoja, Natasha
Tannock, Peter
Teague, Baden
Thomas, Trang
Thompson, Clare
Turnbull, Malcolm
Vizard, Steve
West, Sue
Winterton, George
Witheford, Anne
Wran, Neville
Round 4:
Delegates voting `no model': 43
Bjelke-Petersen, Florence
Bonner, Neville
Bonython, Kym
Bradley, Thomas
Bullmore, Eric
Bunnell, Ann
Chipp, Don
Cleary, Phil
Curtis, David
Devine, Miranda
Ferguson, Christine
Fleming, John
Garland, Alf
Gifford, Kenneth
Gunter, Andrew
Haber, Ed
Hayden, Bill
Hepworth, John
Hourn, Geoff
James, William (Digger)
Jones, Clem
Jones, Kerry
Killen, Jim
Kramer, Leonie
Leeser, Julian
Mack, Ted
Manetta, Victoria
Mitchell, David
Muir, David
O'Brien, Patrick
O'Farrell, Edward
O'Shane, Pat
Panopoulos, Sophie
Ramsay, Jim
Rodgers, Marylyn
Ruxton, Bruce
Sheil, Glen
Smith, David
Sutherland, Doug
Waddy, Lloyd
Webster, Alasdair
Wilcox, Vernon
Withers, Reg
Round 4:
Delegates who abstained: 3
Kelly, Mary
Moore, Catherine
Tully, Paul
CHAIRMAN - When we resume at 2 o'clock we will proceed to consider
amendments to, or other discussion on Model D.
Councillor TULLY - Mr Chairman, I raise a point of order. I cannot see how you can say it is the preferred
model when it does not have an absolute majority of delegates here at this Convention. Clearly it is not the preferred
model. The mathematics at the school I went to clearly show it is not the preferred model. It does not have the
absolute support of a majority of delegates. This is a fraud on the people of Australia.
CHAIRMAN - Councillor Tully, your point of order is not valid.
The proceedings do not make that the final vote. We now proceed, as you will recall, to an analysis of that model
this afternoon. Amendments will be taken to that model. The bipartisan model will then be tested at a later time
to determine which is the finally preferred model.
Professor PATRICK O'BRIEN - Mr Chairman, I raise a point of order. I have exactly the same point as Councillor
Tully. No-one has a majority. It is not a preferred option. It was announced on the very first day that 77 would
be a majority; no-one got a majority. I believe that this Convention should now be closed because the Chairman
is out of order and no-one got a majority. That is what Mr Howard said and that is what your instructions said.
Councillor TULLY - I move the motion that this Convention now close.
CHAIRMAN - I am sorry; You do not have the call, Councillor Tully.
Dr O'Shane has the call.
Dr O'SHANE - Chair, I am only asking for some clarification. You announced - when Senator Evans has finished
speaking to you, Chair, I will continue.
CHAIRMAN - I think it might be helpful to everybody, as Mr Evans
has just pointed out -
Dr O'SHANE - Chair, I am sorry -
CHAIRMAN - Yes, sorry, Dr O'Shane.
Dr O'SHANE - Just a moment ago you stated that we would continue the voting after 2 o'clock. As I am reading
the Notice Paper for today, the session times are in fact from 9 o'clock to 1 o'clock - and we have gone
beyond 1 o'clock - and the afternoon session, session 2, is from 2.15 to 5 p.m. Would you please clarify that.
CHAIRMAN - Today's Notice Paper says 2 p.m. to 5 p.m. And
as has been the practice in the parliament for years, when you are voting, you proceed until the voting is concluded
before you adjourn. It is that practice that I pursued. When I said the `preferred model', if you look at the exact
text of the revolution - resolution -
DELEGATES - Ha, Ha!
CHAIRMAN - Some say `Long live the revolution', but I really meant
resolution. You will notice that it is only a preferred model on an indicative basis.
Mr GARETH EVANS - Preliminary indicative basis.
CHAIRMAN - Preliminary indicative basis. It is not the final preferred
model; it is on a preliminary indicative basis. It is on that basis that we will refer it to our deliberations
this afternoon. Before we have a suspension for lunch, I should advise that, during the luncheon break in the House
of Representatives courtyard in front of the Backbenches cafe, to ease the tension, as the Deputy Prime Minister
has suggested, there will be a whip cracking demonstration by Mick's Whips from the Northern Territory as part
of a promotion of Internet Electronic Commerce Exports. I am told by Mr Fischer it is the new Silk Road. The hearing
is suspended until 2 p.m.
Proceedings suspended from 1.26 p.m. to 2.00 p.m.
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